basicallyblues wrote:
> Sean wrote:
>
>
>>Enoch
>>was long gone (to heaven) when the promise was given.
>
>
> Not according to what Jesus said at John 3:13:
>
> "No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the
> Son of man" (NASB)
>
> I f "no one" ascended into heaven in Jesus time how can it be said that
> Enoch did?
>
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John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you,
unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
...
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of
the Spirit is spirit.
...
13 "And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from
heaven, even the Son of Man.

This (John 3) is about the conversion of the mind (to ascend to heaven =
to be spiritually minded) Jesus is the way (He descended to show us the
way, by the Spirit, to a heavenly mindset)

1 Cor 2:10-14 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the
Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of
the man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows
except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who
is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God,
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but
in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with
spiritual words.
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God;
for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because
they are spiritually appraised.

I do not believe that Jesus is saying that NO ONE has gone to heaven
before He did after His death.

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(~) Bible Readings for Sunday March 06

Fourth Sunday in Lent

1 Samuel 16:1-13
Ephesians 5:(1-7)8-14
John 9:1-13(14-27)28-38


Old Testament 1 Samuel 16:1-13

The Lord said to Samuel, "How long will you grieve over Saul? I have
rejected him from being king over Israel. Fill your horn with oil and set
out; I will send you to Jesse the Bethlehemite, for I have provided for
myself a king among his sons." Samuel said, "How can I go? If Saul hears
of it, he will kill me." And the Lord said, "Take a heifer with you, and
say, `I have come to sacrifice to the Lord.' Invite Jesse to the
sacrifice, and I will show you what you shall do; and you shall anoint for
me the one whom I name to yo