Bart Goddard wrote:

> wrf3@stablecross.com wrote:
>
>
> >> > where in the Bible does it say that one must believe God is a
> >> > trinity in order to be saved? Verses please:
> >>
> >> This is the way a legalist would word the question. But Christians
> >> don't believe any of man's actions cause his salvation, not even the
> >> act of believing. So to a Christian, your question is pointless.
> >
> > He didn't say anything about the cause of the belief.
>
> Neither did I. I'm saying that it's not "believing saves"
> but "being saved, one believes."

We agree, Bart. Believes _what_, which how much variation allowed?
Make a Biblical case for the amount of variation allowed.

[...]

>
>
> >> Peter's and Thomas' confession show this.
> >
> > Peter's confession is hotly debated (between Protestant and RC, for
> > example); and the JWs don't read Thomas' confession the way we do.
> > Their reading is contrary to the Greek -- but that doesn't change the
> > fact that they see it differently.
>
> Apostles wrote Scripture. If John records this or Peter
> records that, then we all (JW, RC, Protestants,....) take
> this as Gospel, so to speak.

And yet, in the case of Peter, the RC's, EO, and Protestants all
disagree.

> Thomas, an apostle, calls Jesus "God".

So say you and I. But the JW's read this as an exclamation, not a
statement of fact. They are reading English usage into the Greek, but
if the Catholics (or the EO, or the Protestants) can mis-read the
meaning behing Jesus' statement about Peter's confession, why can't they
be wrong on the reading on Thomas' statement?

[...]

> How big of a font does it take to make one simple fact
> clear?

I don't know. I don't hold to infant baptism. You tell me.

>
> The Protestant vs. RC debate is about popery, not the
> deity of Christ.

Errors are errors, Bart. Why is the one error less bad than the other?

>
>
> >> And Jesus promised to build His church on Peter's confession.
> >>
> >
> > So why aren't you RC? Are you not saved?
>
>
> All Christians confess Peter's confession.
>

"You are the Messiah" isn't the same as "You are God".

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In article <5746A12F-1E40-CAE4-9518-BD4481E28785@srcbs.org>, Gary says...

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