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Bob Felts wrote:
> Gary McNees wrote:
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>>Bob Felts wrote:
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>>>Matthew Johnson wrote:
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>>>>In article <115.51.06.05.622976000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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>>>>[snip]
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>>>>>>Since you have not free will, I think that this is the
>>>>>>consequence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Romans 7 explains this nicely.
>>>>
>>>>It does? Then why does the _interpretation_ of Rom 7 differ so sharply
>>>>between you, myself, and Gary?
>>>
>>>
>>>If you're going to play the numbers game then I could add a number of
>>>people to "my" side.
>>>
>>>But truth does not lie in numbers. The answer is that the reformers
>>>were right; you and Gary are wrong.
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>>The "reformers?" Some of the "followers" of Luther and Calvin quickly
>>departed from some of their doctrines.
>
>
> So? Some of the followers of Jesus left Him, too. Your statement means
> nothing when it comes to espistemology.

I don't mean the average layman. I mean the theologians who followed
them. Like Zwingli departing from both Luther and Calvin on the meaning
of the Lord's supper. Also, many Lutherans did not agree with Luther on
"free will." Further, read about the many pastors who were killed,
excommunicated, and worse, who did not agree with Calvinism, who were
barred from attending the Westminster meeting. Their churches were taken
from them, they were exiled, and some murdered. This is your heritage
from Calvin! Very proud of it I am sure you are.
>
> [...]
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>>The "reformers" were wrong on many things. The ONE thing they, Luther
>>and Calvin, got right was salvation by Grace through faith, but their
>>followers have forsaken this, as is well demonstrated by the oft
>>repeated phrase, "faith comes AFTER regeneration/salvation."
>
>
> Faith is _coincident_ with regeneration/salvation. As I've said several
> times now, when God touches you, you touch God.

I agree that they are simultaneous in TIME, but Scripture makes it very
plain that regeneration comes THROUGH faith, and hence logically
regeneration follows faith. The moment one believes one receives
eternal life. BUT and this is the BIG BUT, God says that one must first
believe to become His child. One does not first become His child and
then as a result believe.

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be
the children of light.

Deal with it, Bob Felts. God says the opposite of what you and Calvin
teach.

Gary

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