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Matthew Johnson wrote:

>
> >1:19-1:32 Gentile -condemned
> >2:1-29 Jew -condemned
> >conclusion:
> >3:10-18 all men -condemned
>
> Wrong. For what the Law says, it addressed to those under the Law.
This is NOT
> all men. Remember: Job was NOT an Israelite.
>
For when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do instinctively the things
of the Law, these not having the Law are a law unto themselves. Rom
2:14

So there has always been a moral law. Job was under law, he just
wasn't under the Law. Man was under "law" from the first "You shall
not eat of the tree of good and evil" because man is always being
tested in this life time (to one he gave five talents, to another two
and to another one) to determine his place in eternity.

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CoreyWhite@gmail.com wrote:
> In Mat 7:16 Jesus spoke, "You Shall Know Them By Their Fruits."
> He tells us that you can seperate christians from false prophets by
> what they do for us, not how they speak to us.
>
> Lutherans believe that christians are not judged by their good works,
> but by their fath. Good works should follow naturally by faith.
>
> I have an idea for another test of faith for christians today. I am
> very interested in what a christian looks like under a microscope.
> With totdays technology we can use biofeedback to measure a christians
> internal state. A christian could be hooked up to a GSR machine (a lie
> detector), and asked if he believed in Jesus.
>
> How many people would pass that test?


Why would anyone want to test someone in that manner? What good would
it do?


> If every church had a
> biofeedback system that could take EEG/EMG & GSR/HRV readings... being
> able to say you were Christian would be much more impressive. If we
> can tell christians by their fruits, you still have to know what sort
> of fruit a person is producing. Sin is hidden, and a lie detector in
> confession would bring it all out.


I am no voyeur and think it better that most sin, that is hidden, stay
hidden.


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Stephen M. Adams wrote:

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>
> Once again, I challenge you to show me where I have said that one can
> attain righteousness without the gospel. Better yet, show me where I
> have said that one can attain righteosness without grace! Or that
> the righteousness is complete