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Gary McNees wrote:

>
> John 6:44
>
> So, no one seeks God, No one is ABLE to come to Christ
> unless he is drawn by God.
>
> But guess what???
>
> God draws ALL MEN!

Funny, you quoted scripture before but not here.

> God seeks ALL the LOST.
>
But that does not equate to say that He saves them all or even draws
them all.

Mankind is like blindmen chained by the neck and living in a cave. It
is only by grace that someOne comes in breaks the chain, heals the eyes
and leads one out into the light. Then that someOne then says to that
one, go back into the cave and bring out as many as will come. But
once the man goes back in, all he gets is grief. They call him a fool.
They will not even allow him to break their chains. Yet the offer is
there and its valid.
>
> > The Reformer says , "No!"
>
> No I won't give you the word, Reformed, or Reformer.
> The Calvinist says NO!
>
> God says that He desires ALL to be saved.
>
So. Now show me the scriptural passage which equates desire with
action _in_the_context_ of_the_argument.
>
> God says that He does not want ANY to perish.

Ibid

> God says "God IS LOVE,"

Yes but it does not say "Love is God." God is not governed by His
love, but by His holiness. "Holy, Holy, Holy."

>and the Calvinist says, "God hates the many."
>
I guess you must have a different version of the bible.
Rom. 9:13 ... " Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

> > In the garden, mankind fell. Man has never had the
> > unselfish ability to revive himself after killing himself.
>
> The figure of death is but one figure used to
> describe the unregenerate man.
>
> A sick man can take medicine.
>
> John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and
now
> is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they
that
> hear shall live.
>
> Man can receive the Free Gift of Salvation which
> is offered to him by God.
>
> Note that the DEAD hear! The dead is not first
> made alive.
>
You confuse two things. It's not as simplistic as you make. Rom 1
clearly teaches that being made in the image of God, all men have a
God-consciousness even after the fall. And if you would take the time
to think this through you too would come to understand that unbelief
and rebellion can have meaning only because of this ineradicable
knowledge of God that every man has within himself. However, though
men know that they are creatures, they refuse to accept any call or any
proof that they are such. They refuse. They refuse because th