Gary McNees wrote:
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> >
> > Stephen M. Adams wrote:
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> > >
> > > Nothing hinges on a literal reading of the Genesis record.
> >
> > EVERYTHING hinges on it. Read the first page of Calvin's
institutes.
> > I don't ask you to read anything more, but of a courtesy, read the
> > first page. In that all revelation is anthropomorphic, if you have
a
> > false understanding as to man's nature, everything you bulid off of
> > that false understanding is nothing but shifting sand.
> >
> > Man is spiritually dead. Period.
>
> Agreed. But a spiritally dead person hears and responds to God.


Yes, the person hears and responds! The person does not initiate it.
God initiates it. The person responds. That is quite compatible with
Calvinism.




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"Streamer" writes:
>"Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
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>> Yep. The wrong way is the Calvinist way. The right way is the Orthodox
>> way. God gives us grace which *enables* us to do works, and have faith.
>> We are free to refuse to do those works, or to refuse to believe in God
>> and follow him.
>
>Do you mean faith comes from works, and works comes from grace?

God gives grace which enables us to believe and follow God, if we accept
it.

-Stephen
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In article <153.21.08.05.418974000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
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>matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
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>>> Here he's saying
>>>that I say "God caused me to sin". I've never said
>>>anything like that.
>>
>> Yes, you have. And yet you keep denying the consequence of your own
>> words.
>
>If I had, you'd be able to cite it.

And I am able to cite it. You can only prove that I did not cite it. But this
has nothing to do with whether I am _able_ to cite it. Once more, as you do when
discussing theodicy, you have confused capability with actuality, as if you
believed that one who can do something, must do it.

Besides: it isn't even true th