Here is an example where "anabaino" in John 3:13 does not necessarily
mean "go up under one's own power"

Mt 17:27 - "Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the
sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first COMETH
(anabaino) up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a
piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee."

Here "anabaino" refers to something that was "taken" up or pulled up
NOT under it's own power as the fish "ascended" via a fish hook.

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Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> lsenders@hotmail.com writes:

>
> >It also wrongly considers the full implication of the Divine
> >declaration, "It is finished." Redemption is not God purchasing the
> >car and then handing us the payment book. He purchased the car and
> >then gave us the titled deed -the Holy Spirit. Your interpretation
of
> >James will not acknowledge that fact.
>
> Sure it does. Just like the deed for my car, I can sell it, tear
> it up, burn it and destroy the car. The title only gives me proof
> I own the car - what I do with it after that is MY choice.
>
All illustrations break down for they are essentially only similatudes.
The reality is that the title which is given to the believer is one,
unmerited and solely a gift given by God, and two the eternal
indwelling of the Lord's Spirit.

Practically your objection is untenable for in all honestly we all
sinned shortly after we had believed. The paradigm which you express
has man living on an experiential roller coaster. This would be more
evidentury of a cruel, sadistic God than a loving, free giving God.

Matt. 7:9 "Or what man is there among you, when his son shall ask him
for a loaf, will give him a stone?
Matt. 7:10 "Or if he shall ask for a fish, he will not give him a
snake, will he?

The principle is that the giving of the Holy Spirit as a pledge is not
conditioned on any merit [who has first given that it must be repaid]
and because it was never merited to begin with it can never be taken
away based upon demerit.

Matt. 7:11 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to
your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give
what is good to those who ask Him!

Nowhere in the NT is the giving of the Spirit conditional. It is both
a pre-requisite to enlightenment and to conviction, thus being given to
the yet unbelieving while in a state of sin, i.e. it is the natural man
who is "saved." Nowhere in the NT is there any mention of a repeated
giving of the Spirit nor is there any support f