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lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
> fred wrote:
> >
> > I basically agree with you. My personal thoughts on the fundamentals,
> > however, are the following. First, other than inviting Jesus into your
> > spritual heart and doing your best to obey the Scriptures as best as
> > you understand them, there are no christian fundamentals.
> >
> Certainly, the primary fundamental is justification by faith alone and
> true faith is always begotten in the soul by the Holy Spirit. However,
> there is more to consider.
>
> While the fundamentals of the faith can be traced through the
> Reformation to the early church, fundamentalism as it is known today
> has its roots in the 19th century where its liberal counterpart also
> sprang. In 1877 a Prophetic Conference was held at the Church of the
> Holy Trinity in NY. The NY Tribune published an edition of 50,000
> copies detailing in full the messages of the conference (try and
> imagine such a thing occuring today!). From this sprang other
> conferences which were held in various parts of the country, placing
> under one roof leaders from the major Protestant denominations. Their
> addresses alerted pastors and laymen to the significance of liberalism
> which was infiltrating the churches and rallied Christians to the
> defense of historic Christianity.
>
> The statement of five fundamentals formulated by the Niagara group in
> 1895 became a focal point in the controversy. These were presented as
> the essentials of faith which all Christians must accept. Briefly they
> were: (1) the inerrancy of the Scriptures, (2) the deity of Christ, (3)
> His virgin birth, (4) His substitutionary atonement, and (5) His
> physical resurrection and future bodily return.

The problem with the above "fundamentals" is that half of them probably
do not apply to the repentant thief that Jesus was crucified with. For
example, I have no reason to believe that the thief would have known
about Jesus' virgin birth or resurrection, especially the resurrection.
In fact, I don't believe that the apostles were aware of the
scriptural details about Jesus until Jesus opened their mind's to the
Scriptures after his resurrection as Luke 24:44-45 shows. Indeed, the
apostles were confused by what Jesus said about his crucifixion and
resurrection before he was crucified as Luke 9:44-45 and John 20:9-10
show, for example.

> >
> > I think I
> > stated elsewhere that claiming to be a fundamentalist Christian was
> > probably a quick-and-dirty way for some Christians to claim neutrality
> > to avoid getting sucked into the type of disputes that Romans 14 warns
> > against.
> >
> I think you need to reassign your terminology. Historically,
> "fundamen