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Gary McNees wrote:

[...]

>
> I have found that only Calvinists believe that a man can be made
> responsible for that to which he cannot respond!
>


18 So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the
heart of whomever he chooses.
19 You will say to me then, "Why then does he still find fault? For who
can resist his will?"
20 But who indeed are you, a human being, to argue with God? Will what
is molded say to the one who molds it, "Why have you made me like this?"
[Rom 9, NRSV]

> And I have seen here on this list that indeed the Calvinists do believe
> that what ever they think God might have said, it is RIGHT because
> God said it.
>

If God says something, that means it isn't right?

> If, indeed, God says a thing, it is RIGHT and good. But even God cannot
> just say anything and thereby make it right.
>

Really? Against what standard are you measuring God?

> Imagine, because God is God it is right for Him to do anything!
>

No, if God does it, it is right.

> The Calvinist God is not limited by His perfect nature. This God
> can lie, and legislate that good is evil, and that evil is good.
>

And just where do Calvinists say that?

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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article , Robert Sutherland
> says...

>
>
>>A human being has a moral right to what he or she needs by nature in
>>order to fulfill his or her duty to God to lead a good human life.
>
>
> That reminds me _so_ much of Aquinas I am tempted to ask for the exact citation
> from the Summa;)
>

To both Robert and Matthew, the above is almost the very
OPPOSITE to what Reformed theology and Calvinism teach,
and I think, Bart teaches, but I not sure about him.

They claim that God has the moral, just, and whatever
RIGHT to keep from all men these needs. And in fact,
they teach that He purposely keeps all men from these
things (except for a certain small caste which cannot
be changed.)


Gary

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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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>
>
> Gary McNees wrote:
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> >
> > I still do not agree. On the one hand some Calvinists
state the
> > man is RESPONSIBLE for his actions, but on the other