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Gary wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> snip
>
> >
> > The verb "fitted" in the KJV is a _passive_ pefect participle
> > (accusative, neuter, plural). Exactly the opposite of what you need.
> > They are acted _upon_, they are not the actors. For that you would need
> > an _active_ voice.
>
> So you know more than the world reknown Greek Scholar,
> A. T. Robertson?

I don't have to know more. But what you need to realize, is that
Robertson and I are in agreement. I said that fitted was a "passive
perfect participle". So hold that thought.

>
>
> Perfect passive participle of katartizw, old verb to equip (see #Mt 4:21;
> 2Co 13:11), state of readiness. Paul does not say here that God did it or
> that they did it. That they are responsible may be seen from #1Th 2:15.
> {Unto destruction} (eiv apwleian). Endless perdition (#Mt 7:13; 2Th 2:3;
> Php 3:19), not annihilation.

And Robertson, via your citation, agrees that it's a "passive
participle". So I'm in agreement with Robertson.

>
> Good thing people don't believe you, eh?
>

What part of "passive" do you not understand? You know, the part where
the dictionary says "without active response or resistance"?

> > > Why are you not willing to see that God says the He "endures," these
> > > vessels? God does not make man sin, and then punish him for doing so.
> >
> > Why are you not willing to see what the Greek text
> > _actually says_?
>
> WHAT the Greek text actually says is not what you say it says! I really
> don't believe you know Greek better than Robertson. And any other
> competent Greek Scholar.
>
>

It's your own citation: "Perfect __passive__ participle of katartizw,
old verb to equip".


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"Matthew Johnson" wrote in message
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> In article , Sarah Kanary
> says...
>>
>>"Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
>>news:2D166EA9-F715-A234-7739-B4F47B1462D8@srcbs.org...
>>
>>>>Well, of course the OT was written and collected long before there
>>>>was any hint of the Orthodox Church.
>>>
>>> You are mistaken. The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which
>>> is the Orthodox Church existed BEFORE the collection of the Scriptures
>>> by ANY rec