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> > Loren, I doubt you will understand it, but Geisler does give another
> > "way."
> >
> Geisler is an interesting read, no matter what the subject. But before
> he died, he wrote some stuff which was just way out in left field,

I believe the rumors of his death are greatly exagerated.
Norm is not dead.

> nothing at all like what he wrote, say 20yrs ago.

We are not God. Those of us who learn anything, do change.

> One particular book
> of his which I read a year or two ago was nothing short of a diatribe
> against dispensationalism. It was very uncharacteristic of him in that
> it totally misrepresented dispensationism in just about all forms. So
> I've some what lost my taste for him.

I don't agree with everything Norm teaches, but then again I don't agree
with everything anyone else teaches either.
Norm said that he had written some things he does not now agree with.

> > Your fundamental presuppositions are:
> 1) voluntarism, A thing is right because God says it
> 2) occasionalism;
> 3) determinism. (Theistic)
> >
> > Until you are willing to admit that just perhaps your entire
> > presuppositional system
> > is false to the core, you will not be able to see the truth.
> >
> Well, I think I've done a more than fair job in excavating my
> presuppositions. Read VanTil, esp. "The Christian Theory of Knowledge"
> and you will have a good grasp on Reformed presuppositionalism.

I have not only read CTK but have read much more of him. I have
almost all of his books is both paper and on CD. He is dead wrong,
just like you.

> But there are only two basic presuppositions.

This is false. For one thing, you presuppose:

A thing is right because God said it.
Rather than God says a thing because it is right.

Because of this presupposition, you can attribute all manner
of evil to God, and say that it is not evil.

> We can see them in the
> Augustine vs Pelagius debate and we can see them as well when we place
> Calvinism against Descartes. Everything is reducible to these two
> thought forms in that Augustinianism/Calvinism is a single circle
> thought form while all other thought forms are dual circle thought
> forms. The single circle place everything under the sovereignty of
> God, that is, we are creatures and He is the Creator. The dual circle
> has the single circle PLUS a circle for autonomous man. All forms of
> Pelagianism follow such determination.

Your conception of sovereignty is false. And don't put Augustine in with