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paul4deb@hawknet.com.au wrote:

> I take "destruction" to mean what it's plainest meaning is--the ACT of
> destroying or the PROCESS of being destroyed. Whether it is the act or
> the process would depend on context. Either way, destruction in itself
> implies an outcome:

And here we're talking about _eternal destruction_, so the ACT or the
PROCESS must be an eternal ACT or PROCESS. You can't have point
events in eternity.


> If we say "everlasting destruction" means a process that inflicts
> conscious pain upon someone forever--ie without end, then we turn
> "everlasting destruction" into a kind of oxymoron i.e. indestructible
> destruction. I find this unscriptural.

You haven't explained how, in eternity, someone can be punished
for a while and then ceased to be punished. There is no concept
of "ceasing" without time, because for something to "cease", it
has to happen at one time and then stop happening at another.

You're not being logical.

Bart

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wynfranc@yahoo.com wrote:


> Many believe that the wicked will go to a fiery hell and be tormented
> forever. Is this teaching logical and according to God’s love and
> justice? The human life span is limited to 70 or 100 years.

Your math is a bit off. You want to compare 70 years on earth
with an infinite amount of time and you liken this to an $80
debt compared to an $80 trillion dollar debt. But the orthodox
teaching of the church is that our state after death is
trans-temporal, i.e., outside of time. Hell is in "eternity"
not "forever".

The point here is not to assert that the punishment is somehow
less because it's outside of time, but that it is not comparable
to temporal punishment.


> Besides, Ephesians 5:1 stated that we should become imitators of God.
> If charging somebody for an unpayable amount is just/fair to you,
> then why don’t fair humans do that? Because it is obviously not
> fair nor just.

That's not what happens. Instead, we rack up this huge unpayable
debt. "Fair" would be that we pay back our debt. We happen to
be in far over our heads, but still, we managed to fritter away
$80 trillion in borrowed cash and we owe the debt.

God doesn't just "charge" us for something we can't pay. It
is us who are spendthrifts and get ourselves in trouble.


> The principle in Matthew 18:34 is a good text to prove that God won’t
> LITERALLY torture someone forever.
> It states “ With that his master, provoked to wrath, delivered him to
> the jailers, UNTIL he should p