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Matthew wrote:

(snip various denials and defensiveness)

Then we get to the actual response regarding Hyppolytus:

>And this is obviously a corrupt text. For Hippolytus says elsewhere
that all
>existing things were created LATER. As I said before, the text is
obviously
>corrupt.

There you have it. A prime example of an tendentious zealot and his
attempts to protect his own private pet interpretations.

Matthew, because it doesn't agree with his wacky assertions, you claim
it is "obviously a corrupt text". Sorry but you are flailing.
Hyppolytus does NOT say all existing things were created later either.
You are simply trying to keep a sinking ship afloat here.

The words of Hippolytus:

"Therefore this solitary and supreme Deity, by an exercise of
reflection, brought forth the LOGOS FIRST. . . Him alone He produced
from existing things; for the Father Himself constituted existence, and
THE BEING BORN FROM HIM was the cause of all things that are produced.
The Logos was in the Father Himself, bearing the will of His
progenitor, and not being unacquainted with the mind of the Father. For
simultaneously with His procession from His Progenitor, inasmuch as He
is this PROGENITOR'S FIRST -BORN, he has, as a voice in Himself, the
ideas conceived in the Father. And so it was, that when the Father
ordered the world to come into existence, the Logos one by one
completed
each object of creation, thus pleasing God. . . . "

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wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> >
> > You don't understand what Israel is, then. Israel is the nation of
> > _believers_, not people with a certain genetic predisposition. Read
> > Romans 9:6, Romans 2:28-29, and Gal 3:7 & 3:29.
> >
> Sigh! I am sorry Bob, but I really have to say that it is you who does
> not understand the significance of Israel or for that matter, the
> economies of God.
>
> Earlier someone wrote that Israel was God's elect. You trotted off to
> Rom 9 in referring to Paul's statement that not all who are Abraham's
> descendents are of Israel, assuming that this invalidated the statement
> that Israel, as a nation, was God's elect. Well, it doesn't.

And I didn't say otherwise. "Israel is God's elect" is an absolutely
true statement. What is at issue is the definition of "Israel".

[...]

> Certainly, just because one was a genetic descendant of Abraham did not
> equate to say that that individual was one of the elect.

So far, we agree.

> However, the elect of Israel are a separate entity to the parenthetical
> mystery, the Ch