County Clerk Office.

Located in beautiful Upper Peninsula of Michigan's Iron County. Twenty-two outdoor buildings, cultural center, and art galleries.

Located in beautiful Upper Peninsula of Michigan's Iron County. Twenty-two outdoor buildings, cultural center, and art galleries.

gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:


> I'm not going to go through the posts,

Of course not. It would prove you wrong and besides,
you'd misquote me anyway, just like you do God.



> Matthew, for one, got you on it, because you dishonored your
> earthly Father in the process.

I did nothing of the sort. I states some facts which
illustrated a point. And since neither your nor Matthew
know anything about my childhood, wisdom would suggest you
keep your mouth shut where my father is concerned.



> That was one of the worst posts I've ever read on any
> newsgroup.

A vacuous statement.


>
> And speaking of slander, you do it to me and other
> non-Calvinists
> constantly.

I never slander you. There's a huge difference between
"disagreement" and "slander". Evidently, you can't tell
the difference.

Bart


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bimms@juno.com wrote:

>
> > Now you sound like you have missed the point of the analogy. Sure,
> house
> > materials do not have free will, but that is QUITE beside the
point.
> For the
> > analog of the house material IS our free will.
>
> Wrong, my friend. But it is quite apparent that nothing I say
> will change your mind. You are so intent on claiming that our free
will
> is a source of our salvation, that you don't care if God is given any
> glory for being the real author of our salvation.
>
This is this, but there is so much more to it. It boggles me how
complex it is. But I believe it comes down to one primary doctrine,
the doctrine of depravity. This is why, like Clement and Origen, the
allegorical method is required to force the Scriptures to produce that
which is largely in accord with the principles of Greek philosophy.
[If Paul had used the allegorical method on Mars Hill, his gospel would
have been accepted!] And like Clement, Matthew consistently
illustrates the system of thought that the "first principle" is
incapable of demonstation. In Stromata, 2:4 it is stated,

"For knowledge is a state of mind that results from demonstration; but
faith is a grace which from what is indemonstrable conducts to what is
universal and simple, what is neither with matter, nor matter, nor
under matter. But those who believe not, as is to be expected, drag
all down from heaven, and the region of the invisible, to earh,
'absolutely grasping with their hands rocks and oaks,' according to
Plato. For, clinging to all such things they asseverate that that
alone exists which can be touched and handled, defining body and
essence to be identical."