A.E. Seaman Mineral Museum

Michigan's official State mineralogical museum at Michigan Technological University, with image galleries, video tour, information, events and gift shop.

Copper Country Rock and Mineral Club

Information about field trips, mineral collecting, copper, datolite, silver, and the Delaware Mine.

Exploring Houghton and Hancock Michigan

Places to go and stay, things to see and do in Houghton County

Houghton and Hancock Michigan

Information on Michigan Technological University and Isle Royale National Park.

Houghton Co. MIGenWeb

Genealogy records and data online. Large site that is adding new births, deaths, marriages, school records, obituaries, military records, and many historical articles on mining and immigration.

Houghton County

County Clerk Office.

Houghton County Fair

Family fun and entertainment with motocross, monster trucks, livestock shows, food and carnival rides.

Houghton County, Michigan - MultiMag

Keweenaw Chain Drive Mountain Bike Festival

Information about this annual event which tests mountain bikers' endurance and technical ability.

MIGenWeb Archives - Cemetery

Houghton county cemetery records available for download in text file format.

Gary McNees wrote:

> "Bart Goddard" wrote in message
> news:172.26.21.05.300322000@srcbs.org...
> >
> >
[...]

> > But for the record, you are saying that _a man must believe
> > before he is regenerated_.
> >
> > John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,...
>
> No, I am saying the God regenerates those who believe,
> immediately.

But you are thereby putting the cart before the horse. St. John is
explicit that the rebirth is "not of blood or of the will of the flesh
or _of the will of man_, but of God."

You have regeneration as a result of an act of the will of man (that of
believing), which Scripture says just isn't so.

> Logically we are saved through faith. Faith does not come through
> salvation, as you like to claim.

Really? Where does faith come from?

> EVERY time we read of life it comes through faith. The logic is
> inescapable and simple. The word THROUGH means the logical order of
> things.

And all three of my children were born _through_ my wife's birth canal.
But they had no choice in the matter.

[...]


> > You're still insisting that eternal life is our reward for believing,
> > which you think we can do without God's help. You're teaching salvation
> > by works.
>
> No. God says that faith is not works.

That's because God says that faith is a gift, too. But that's not your
view. In your view, faith springs forth from an unregenerate man
instead of being given to an unregenerate man. So _in your formulation_
of the process, it is a work.
>
> Eternal life is a gift which must be RECEIVED by faith.
>

Sure. But faith is a part of the gift, too.


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lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
> Gary McNees wrote:
>
>
>>God being sovereign does not mean that man cannot do that which
>>God forbids, and which God does not will that he do.
>>
>
> Your error is defining "when." Prior to the fall man had the capacity
> of the either or. But after he had shot himself in the head, he was
> dead. How does a dead man choose?

Your definition of dead is false. The scriptures teach that the
unregenerate are "dead in sin."

After Adam fell, and died spiritually, he still heard the voice of God,
and responded to it.

So much for the unregenerate not responding to God.

Gary

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