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Complete History of Alpena County Michigan

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Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary and Underwater Preserve

Shipwrecks and maritime history of Thunder Bay in Lake Huron. Located in Alpena County, Michigan.

bimms@juno.com wrote:

>
> > Now you sound like you have missed the point of the analogy. Sure,
> house
> > materials do not have free will, but that is QUITE beside the
point.
> For the
> > analog of the house material IS our free will.
>
> Wrong, my friend. But it is quite apparent that nothing I say
> will change your mind. You are so intent on claiming that our free
will
> is a source of our salvation, that you don't care if God is given any
> glory for being the real author of our salvation.
>
This is this, but there is so much more to it. It boggles me how
complex it is. But I believe it comes down to one primary doctrine,
the doctrine of depravity. This is why, like Clement and Origen, the
allegorical method is required to force the Scriptures to produce that
which is largely in accord with the principles of Greek philosophy.
[If Paul had used the allegorical method on Mars Hill, his gospel would
have been accepted!] And like Clement, Matthew consistently
illustrates the system of thought that the "first principle" is
incapable of demonstation. In Stromata, 2:4 it is stated,

"For knowledge is a state of mind that results from demonstration; but
faith is a grace which from what is indemonstrable conducts to what is
universal and simple, what is neither with matter, nor matter, nor
under matter. But those who believe not, as is to be expected, drag
all down from heaven, and the region of the invisible, to earh,
'absolutely grasping with their hands rocks and oaks,' according to
Plato. For, clinging to all such things they asseverate that that
alone exists which can be touched and handled, defining body and
essence to be identical."

Clement therefore, when speaking of the "infallible criterion of faith"
does not mean the absolute authority of Scripture. He is speaking of a
general faith which is required of man. Thus the combined system of
the mysticism of Plotinus and the gospel of Paul.

The problem with all of this refusal of the doctrine of sola scriptura
is that it basically confuses the wisdom of God with the wisdom of the
world. And to refuse total depravity is to permit the view that
natural man can know the true God, though less perfectly than
Christians do. Even after Adam's rebellion, Matt's system is that all
men still remain naturally constituted for the acquisition of virtue
without the aid of having to be "born again from above." Matt's system
does not so distinquish the Spirit in 3:6 as the Holy Spirit, but the
spirit of man.

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