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"Matthew Johnson" wrote in message
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> In article <139.59.11.05.907135000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
>
> >gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >> I still do not agree. On the one hand some Calvinists state the
> >> man is RESPONSIBLE for his actions, but on the other hand,
> >> they also believe that God causes all his actions.
>
> >This is not a logical contradiction. You're using an
> >axiom which says "A being can responsible only if he has
> >freedom." I don't agree that the axiom is a good one.
>
> True. But if you did accept it, as Gary and many lurkers do, then it
> IS a contradiction. Besides: we _know_ you don't accept it. What we
> don't understand is why you think this is a good idea.
>
> >I can't think of any reason why it ought to be true,
>
> I can. It was outlined in great detail in the first three paragraphs of De
> Gratia & Libero Arbitrio.
>
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> In _what_ legal or ethical system? Perhaps only in one that is badly
> in need of reform, such as the Texan system;)
>
> >God can make a guilty, freedomless man if He wants to.
>
> An axiom very pleasing to Calvinist's and those Lutherans who fell
> under the dark spell of Luther's "On the Bondage of the Will". But an
> irrelevant one, since God did NOT want to make a guilty freedomless
> man. Such a 'man' could NOT have been called "created in the image and
> likeness of God".
>
> >> Another is that God is GOOD.
> >
> >That's not an internal contradiction, but rather something
> >which conflicts with your own (external) definition of
> >"good".
>
> It is not "Gary's definition", it is the Bible's. Nor is it
> 'external'. It is what God reveals about Himself (Mt 5:44-48).
>
> >> For example, they claim on the one hand that God determines
> >> all things, both Good and Bad. But some admit that the bad
> >> He only "permits." (Calvin and other famous Calvinists deny
> >> even this.) But then they claim that what they call "free will,"
> >> is such that the man cannot choose otherwise. Hence cannot
> >> choose to not commit a particular sin.
> >
> >And yet, you said almost the same thing. Something like
> >"God is the ultimate cause but not the immediate cause."
>
> No, what Gary said was what St. Augustine and St. Basil said: God is
> not the cause of any evil, not even that sinners are lost. Sinners
> have themselves as the cause of that.
>
> To quote the latter directly:
>
> First, let it be fixed in our minds that as we are the creations of
> the good God and remain in His power, Who arranges all thin