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basicallyblues wrote:
> Loren wrote:
>
> >Your entire objection here is answered by the kenosis. You refuse
to
> >appreciate the Second Person of the Godhead "giving up" the use of
His
> >Deity.
>
> At Rev. 3:2,12 Jesus was back in heaven at God's right hand still
calls
> him "my God" four times.

"Right hand." Haven't we covered this before. It speaks of equality.
In the oriental world, the queen sat on the left hand or a step down
from the king. To sit on the right hand is equal to John's grammar of
Jn 1:1c where he specifically, inspirationally chose not to use the
definite article.

>Kenosis has no bearing on this-

Then you don't know what you are talking about. Plain and simple. It
has everything to do with what you wrote previously and I here replied
to. It is you who jumped to Rev 3 and then tried to change the
context. Move on over to ch 5 and you will see Him worshipped right
alone with the Father and the Spirit.

> or are you
> saying Jesus gave up his Godship indefinitely? Jesus has asked at
John
> 17:5 that he be returned to the glory that he had before which was at
> God's right hand.
>
You're the one confusing the reply and the issue. Not me. "Right
hand" speaks of equality. Do a little research to see this as an
oriental cultural norm.
>
> >This true issue is not whether or not there is enough scriptural
> >evidence for this, but that you refuse to believe the testimony of
> your
> >own being. You are body and soul and yet indivisible.
>
> Oh I agree that there can be no division between body and soul in
that
> the "soul" exists as conscious life aoart from the body.

Unity and diversity. Where is your basis for it? If we are created in
the image of God then He too is both One and yet Many. Why is there so
much diversity in the uni-verse and yet there is order? What is back
of this? Where did this come from? Are you countering the Pauline
declaration of Rom 1:20?

>The Bible does
> not support the vew that humans *have" a soul separate from the body
> that remains conscious on it's own.

Dives and Lazareth. Even Christ's own statement on the cross to the
thief.

> In the case of Adam he *became* a
> living soul (nephesh) he did *have* a soul. (Gen. 2:7). Adams was
body
> + spirit+breath of life which equaled "soul".
>
Do you even know the Hebraic understanding of "nephesh?" Have you ever
word studied it throughout the Jewish Scriptures and seen for yourself
how it is used and applied? It speaks of the Nation as one soul. It
speaks of the individual as one soul. It declares He is is behind it -
the Uni-Plural.

Again, explain why the Shema u