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Sarah Kanary wrote:

>
> >Was the transfiguration a
> > hallucination, or was that really Moses and Elijah there on the
Mount
> > with Jesus?
>
> Jesus himself said that it was a *vision*. (Mt. 17:9)
>
Sarah, you really have to do violence to the text to hold what you here
infer with the English. Peter certainly doesn't think of it as
illussionary, for he writes of it:

For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you
the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses
of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the
Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic
Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
(2 Pet. 1:16-17).

He holds to the reality of the experience but places experience beneath
the testimony of the Scriptures.

2 Pet. 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which
you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place,
until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> gilgames wrote:
>
>
> However, with tongue-in-cheek one can be funny. Bart and
I are old
> friends, he knows I was teasing him, because we both agree
that
> salvation is not initiated by man, nor is based on any
positive quality
> in man.
>

So do we.

Eph. 1: 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the
word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also
after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit
of promise,
The ORDER is here given in great detail, even with the
specific
order being amplified.

First, we trust, (have faith, believe) AFTER WE HAVE
heard the word of truth, the Gospel.

And next, AFTER we have believed this Gospel, we are
subsequently sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Salvation was initiated by God in sending His Son because
HE LOVED THE WORLD. (the cosmos.)

Gary









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lsenders@hotmail.com writes:

>But the other four place you in bed with the RC and with
>the Arminian so really, #4 is moot.

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