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wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > Is it too great of a thing to comprehend that God designed man's
> > > freedom such that He could determine him without destroying his
> > > freedom?
> >
> > Well, yes, it is. It happens to be a self-defeating statement because
> >of the inherent contradiction. Which is one form of hypocrisy (in
> >thought instead of action).
> >
> Calvin quotes Augustine: defining liberum arbitrium (free will) as "a
> power of reson and will by which good is chosen when grace assists and
> evil is chosen when grace is wanting."

Does this definition apply to the unsaved, or to the saved? I might,
after additional consideration, agree with this as concerning the saved;
but it simply isn't the case for the unsaved. For the simple reason
that the unsaved man cannot influence the bestowal of grace; therefore
his will isn't free.

>
> Aquinas wrote that holy "free will is not an independent causality.

Therefore, it is a dependent causality. "Dependent" and "free" are a
contradiction in therms.

> God works in the finite will in the way that the nature of it requires
> that he should; although, therefore, he changes the inclination of ma
> to another direction, nevertheless, by his almighty power he causes
> that man should frely will the change which he experiences; and thus
> all constraint is removed.

More gobbledygook. "He causes" and "free" are contradictory.

> For to suppose otherwise, that the man willed not the change which is a
> change in his will, would be a contradiction."

The man does will it, because God sovereignly willed it. There is no
contradiction, until one tries to insert the word "free".

>
> As I wrote elsewhere, "The difference between the 2 kinds of
> self-determination is marked in language. The noun 'sin' has an active
> berb to correspond with it; the noun 'holiness' has none.

Sure it does. To be holy is to be set apart. There's a verb in there
somewhere.

> Sin is 'sinning' or 'to sin' but holiness is not 'holying' or 'to holy.'

To set apart.

> Only the passive is employed in the latter case: 'to be holy' or 'to
> become holy.' But both the active and passive are employed in the former.
> Man is willing in holiness and he is willing in sin. But the willingness
> in the first case is complex.

Only because you insist in trying to set free that which isn't free.

> God works in man to will (Phil 2:13).

"According to _His_ good pleasure." No freedom for man there.

> The willingness in the