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lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:


> So it is not reading alone which has brought me to see that the
> Lutheran church is little different than,

There's no such thing as "the Lutheran church." There are
Lutheran congregations, some of which have banded together
into various synods. The largest of these synods IS the
largest, because they compromised the most on essential
doctrinal issues. To the point that they no longer
profess that the Book of Concord is their position.

Regardless of what the sign says out front, ELCA congregations
are no more "Lutheran" than JW's or Mormons are "Christian."

If you want to read a Lutheran theologian, read Chemnitz.

Bart

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Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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>>Some of us believe that teaching that God loves (savingly)
>>only the "few" while he hates the "many," e.g., Jacob and
>>Esau, representing the elect and the non-elect, respectively,
>>is a very severe misrepresentation of the true God.
>
>
> We only know God by what He reveals to us about Himself,
> and Jesus is the epitome of this revelation.
>
> If someone tries to look at or get to God outside of
> Jesus, then he is going after a non-revelation. Here,
> I'm not speaking Moslems and Buddhists, so much as
> Christians who try to construct their theology beginning
> with the Father and working towards the Son. I think this
> is the defacto way of thinking for most (American) Christians,
> and I think it is a sad inversion which leads to much trouble.
>
> If we try to approach the Father outside of the Son, we
> can see only His hate. "The heavens reveal the glory of
> the Lord", but glory preaches only damnation to us. Creation
> doesn't reveal a loving God, but an indifferent and/or
> vengeful God.
>
> It is only in Christ that God's love is revealled. And
> we should only think about God as Christ. Anything else is
> pure speculation.
>
> It's a severe misrepresentation of God to expound or explain
> Him in any other way than in His revelation, i.e. Jesus.
> In Jesus, we see no wrath. In God in His unrevealled
> majesty, we wee only wrath.
>
>
>
>>How does one differentiate the perversion of Scripture done
>>to John 1:1 by the JW's from the perversion of Scripture done
>>by some of say, John 3:16; 2 Peter 3:9; I Tim 2:4; I John 2:2;
>>John 1:29; Isa 53:6: Heb 2:9; and hundreds of others?
>
>
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> One can differentiate the blatancy of the heresy. Is