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Gary McNees wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> news:153.21.08.05.277551000@srcbs.org...
> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> > > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > > news:151.42.08.05.547771000@srcbs.org...
> > > >
> > > >
> > [...]
> > > >
> > > > Which has nothing to do with what you said. This discusses God's
> > > > will concerning creation. Your statement talked about God's will in
> > > > relation to Himself.
> > > >
> > > > If you claim that God cannot will to change His nature then God does
> > > > not have free will. The conclusion is inescapable given your
> > > > premise.
> > >
> > > I believe you are mistaken.
> >
> > Why am I not surprised?
> >
> > > Of course God cannot will to change His nature.
> >
> > So there are some things that God _cannot_ will, therefore His will
> > isn't free.
>
> This is a strange definition of free will. Because you cannot will
> to fly (or rather since we need to keep a careful difference between
> willing to do, and actually doing), you don't have free will?

Notice what you did. You confused "inability to carry out" (i.e. I
cannot fly) with "inability to will".

I can will to fly, but I cannot fly.
God cannot will to change His nature.

They are two distinct things.

>
> We can "will" absolutely anything.

Well, that's the question, now isn't it? I claim that you are confusing
"will" with "ability".

[...]

> God can will all that is possible. Hence we must differentiate between
> His antecedent and consequent will.

There is no such thing with God. If there were, then He would have an
internal time reference.

> Before God willed to create, He was free to not create.

And how do you know this? Chapter and verse, please. In some book
other than the imagination of Gary, chapter 7, verse 16.

>
> God cannot will to lie. We have been over this time and again.

Then His will isn't free. Game over. Give it up.

[...]

>
> But I did not think that this was what even you meant about the will
> being free.

Why not? I've never said anything otherwise.

> Most Calvinists only insist that man is unable to will to be saved.

Because most Calvinist doggedly insist on sticking to Scripture and this
is what Scripture speaks to.

> And that this inability is due to the nature he was born with.

Well, yes.

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