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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:


>> This is salvation by works and that's where your doctrine
>> of "free will" leads.
>
> Only in your imagination.


I often imagine the truth, however.


> I deny that YOU or any man (Save Jesus Christ Himself) EVER
> kept the First Commandment. Where you get such nonsense is
> quite beyond me. You actually sound like what you claim
> Matthew
> claims, in stating that man must KEEP the Law to be saved.

You're sounding more and more confused all the time.
I'm claiming that YOU'RE insisting on keeping the First
Commandment in order to be saved. (And you are, because
you insist on a "free will decision" to be saved.)

It's clear that 1. You can't tell the difference between
Scripture and your own words ("Ye shall be like God")
and 2. You can't figure out what your opponents are
writing.


> I really think you have no understanding of what we believe
> the true Gospel is. Since you have repeatedly put forth such
> garbage as you do in this post, which do not address any
> of our doctrines.

It's pretty clear that it's the other way round. I've been
very clear about the problem with your doctrine: "Free will
choices" are obedience to the First Commandment. You insist
on such a thing as a prerequisite (this is YOUR "order", not
mine) for salvation. I don't know how much clearer I can
be: You insist on man's action in order for man to be saved.
How can that not be "salvation by works"?

Bart


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Stephen M. Adams wrote:

> wrf3@stablecross.com (Bob Felts) writes:
> >Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> >> wrf3@stablecross.com (Bob Felts) writes:
>
> >> >There were divisions in the Church long before the Protestants came
> >> >along, were there not?
> >>
> >> Yes, and the vast majority of them caused by private interpretation of
> >> Scripture without reference to the traditional teachings of the
> >> church.
> >
> >Let's go back to a post you made to s.r.c.b-s on 12/8/04, in which you
> >wrote to Matthew Johnson:
> >
> > I've read Augustine - and my reaction to things like "On
> > Predestination" were seminal in my discovery of the Orthodox
> > Church...
> >
> >You were not Orthodox, you became Orthodox, but you did so based upon
> >your evaluation of the evidence. So it seems to me that you used the
> >very principle you decry.
>
> I disagree. I didn't single-source my information and understanding.
> Rather, I looked to