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Greetings Loren:
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> Gary McNees wrote:
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> > I don't agree. It was "free will" that the person was
engaged
> > in talking on the phone, or not stopping for the red
light.
> > What you are saying that a person after jumping off a
cliff
> > no longer has the freedom to stop his fall. If this is
what
> > you mean by "free will" then I agree. But the person
used
> > his freedom to jump in the first place.
> >
> This only goes to show that you do not know what
"free-will" involves.
> I have illustrated this repeatedly. To "freely" choose
either Ford or
> Chevy is not "free-will." Either choice has but a single
goal -a
> selfish one. Choosing to stop at that red light or
choosing not to
> stop, is not a "free-will" choice. Again, both actions
have but a
> single goal -to serve self. At one moment it will be
self-serving to
> stop and obey the law. At another moment, it will be
self-serving to
> run that red light. Either way, both choices only involve
how self is
> served.

I agree.

> True free-will (a terrible term), self-determines and has
two goals to
> choose from; one serving God, the other serving self.
Man, without the
> regenerating ministry of the Spirit, cannot experience a
true
> "free-will" choice for he only and ever is only
self-oriented. THIS is
> the scripture's description of man after the fall. "None
seeks after
> God." This is why the gospel is to be preached to ALL
men, because
> "all sinned and fall short."

While you may be surprised, I agree with the above also.It
is true that no man seeks for God. But it is also true that
God seeks for all men who are sinners.

The reception of the free gift of salvation is a selfish
one. It requires NO choice of SERVING God. In fact it is the
very opposite. It is the recognition that one is unable to
love or serve or obey God, and to throw one's eternal
destiny upon the mercy and grace of God as He offers it in
Christ Jesus in the Gospel via a promise of everlasting life
for the one who believes Him. It is AFTER one has accepted
the pardon, that God regenerates him, empowers him, and
gives him Christ, and the Holy Spirit who then sheds abroad
God's love to others and to God..

Obviously the "gospel" you preach to "all men" and the
Gospel I preach are infinitely different. I can use the
words of God withoug equivocation, which you cannot do,
because of all your loaded language.

Revelation 22:17 And