Gary McNees wrote:
> Greetings George:
>
> I wrote in another post that I have been a Elder in two
> Calvinistic churches, one very large, and another smaller one.
>
> I know many Calvinists, and most are very wonderful, gracious,
> loving people.

Good. Somehow, I missed getting that information.

> It is primarily the Calvinistic theologians who give
> such a bad name to Calvinism, for they really understand what
> Calvinism is all about.
>
> Please see below.
>
> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Another logical fallacy. But one used very often by Calvinists.
> > Calvinists
> > > would like everyone to believe that if one is not a Calvinist,
they
> > REALLY
> > > don't believe Scripture.
>
> > I am sure you got that idea about Calvinist from Calvinist you have
> > known. I wish you would not associate with those Calvinist, they
give
> > Calvinist a bad name. Develop a relationship with some sane
Calvinist,
> > and you might find out that Calvinist are not devils but rather
half
> > way decent human beings.
>
> The people are very decent human beings. The Doctrine TULIP is
> worse that a doctrine of devils.
>
> > > Further, the common Calvinist claim is that if
> > > one is not a Calvinist then they are an Arminian, which is
blatantly
> > false.
> >
> > I have never heard that one must choose between the two. I still
think
> > that you should not associate with those types of Calvinist. They
> > would turn me off too, and I am a Calvinist. Where have you found
that
> > kind of Calvinist? Are they near where you live? If so, I know it
must
> > be terrible to live near people you hate so much.
>
> Have you read any of Loren's posts here?

I have read parts of some of the long ones. I have read all of a few
of the short ones. But, I have to admit that percent wise my reading
of his post does not score very high.

> How about James White?

Not that I know of.


> Really, most of the Calvinistic theologians teach this.

Years ago I learned about TULIP, but many many years have passed with
out my hearing a sermon on the subject. I do not think there are very
many Presbyterian USA churches today where you will hear a sermon on
TULIP. I spent some time at The Presbyterian School of Christian
Education. I never saw a class offered on TULIP nor do I remember any
of the students nor teachers mentioning TULIP. It was not that we had
never heard of it, it just was not considered important enough for us
to discuss it. Of course we theologians of