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Golly what a long thread. Has anyone touting 'faith without works is
dead' actually described what 'works' means?

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Gary McNees wrote:



> This IS THE problem. God says that He draws all men.

I like that! If God saves everybody, that is OK with me.

> John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men
unto
> me.
>
> Hence your, IRRESISTABLE drawing contradicts this verse,

No, mine does not. But, I can see from your statement that your
understanding of IRRESISTABLE drawing does contradict that verse. We
have different understanding as to what one would mean by the term
"IRRESISTABLE drawing." I kind of like the term, but I have never
heard it used outside this, our dialogue. Perhaps you and I have quite
different understandings of the term.

> for God
> says ALL men are drawn, but it is quite evident that ALL do not come
to
> Christ.
> >
> > > God MUST first regenerate them, and as a RESULT they
> > > then MUST believe.
> >
> > Right! Now you are beginning to understand.
>
> No, I am NOT BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND. I have known
> Calvinism for the last 30 years.


Those Calvinist you talked to and read about for 30 years, have a right
to their view of Calvinism. I have no intention of trying to defend
their views of Calvinism. I only defend my views. I think that we
should appreciate people as individuals and not just as a group of
clones. I, myself think that it is stupid to say, you must not be an
Southerner, for I have known Southerners for 30 years and they never
said what you said.

> > > This flies in the fact of a multitude of Scriptures which state
that
> > > Life, Justification, Begetting, being born again, remission of
sins,
> > > and all other aspects of salvation come to us THROUGH faith.

I think you are correct in rejecting that form of Calvinism that you
are describing. I think you are wise to do so. However, I myself
would not reject all forms of Calvinism.


> > Not in my eyes, but rather that all those good things do come
through
> > faith, the faith that God chooses to give us. The difference in
our
> > approaches to this, seems to be that you think that you were the
> > generator of your faith. (I said it "seems" to be. Please correct
me if
> > you also think that God gave you your faith.) But, I think that
God is
> > the generator of my faith.
>
> If faith is a "GIFT" then it is a gift which God offers to all men,