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>Matthew Johnson

I doubt no amount of Bibilcal proof nor reasoning at this time will pry
you from your emotional attacthment to the trinity. I didn't find
anything of substance to correct from your last post and this thread
isn't going anywhere. It is an argument rather than a discussion- and I
accept some of the blame on that as well. I wish you well.

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Matthew Johnson wrote:

> In article <093.50.19.05.858954000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>
> >
> >Matthew Johnson wrote:
> >
> >> In article <091.36.16.05.291484000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
> >> >
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> >So we're saved because of our ability to reason?
> >>
> >> You who criticized BB for his false dilemma are so quick to come up
> >> with this one of your own? NO, I never said that. What I said is that
> >> we are not saved if we insist on using our ability to reason _against_
> >> God, which is what he does who clings to heresy, despising the true
> >> teaching of the Church.
> >
> >But that means that:
> >a) we know what the true church is,
> >b) we know what the true teachings of the church are, and
> >c) that we are using our reason against God.
>
> >I don't see how you can get to a), b), or c) without reason. How do we
> >know that what we know is true, Matthew?
>
> This, Bob, is just a more complicated version of the same false dilemma.
> Are you hoping to hide the dilemma under yet more incomplete choices?

I don't know. You are seeing something I don't -- a false dilemma. Can
you be a bit more explicit in what you mean so that I can try to follow
along?

>
> >What if I am a man whose 'reasoner' is broken? Does that mean that I
> >cannot be saved?
>
> No. But you miss the point: it is BB's insistence on _deliberate misuse_
> of his 'reasoner', using it to teach heresy, that damns him. But a man
> whose 'reasoner' is broken is not ipso facto guilty of _misusing_ it, much
> less deliberately.

You arrive at that conclusion using reason; I still don't see how a man
whose 'reasoner' is broken would come to the same conclusion.

If a man's 'reasoner' is broken, he cannot via reason come to the
conclusion that his 'reasoner' is broken. He would have to take someone
else's word for it, just like a blind man has to take someone else's
word that rainbows exist.

So why should he trust you, or me, or Bart, or Steve? And maybe, just
maybe, Jesus