Features bulletin boards, news, photographs, community guide, calendar, and links.

Promotes respect and understanding among persons of differing sexual orientations.

Supporting the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and allied communities. Scheduled events, links, directions and contact information available.

Gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender business listings and classifieds from PrideNet.

"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
news:142.57.05.05.555348000@srcbs.org...
>
>
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >> If it's preposterous, then you should be able to show it.
> >> (And it's not "no worse", it's "better".)
> >
> > Some things are so obvious, that they cannot be proved.
>
> That statement is false. If it's not an axiom, then
> it has to follow from your axioms, and so there's
> a proof there somewhere. If it IS an axiom, then
> you can hardly assert its truth outside your own system.
>
> All you have to do is come up with an argument that
> shows that God is somehow less guilty of man's damnation
> if He equips man with the tool to damn Himself and then
> sits back and does nothing except "warn" him.

That is hardly the point. In the one case God unilaterally
damns. God makes the man such that he can only be damned.
God causes him to be born in such a state that he must and
can only sin. And for this sin which he commits, which God
causes him to commit, God damns him. God makes man such
that he is born to sin, cannot refrain from sinning, and then
calls on him to repent and believe, but of course God has
made man such that he cannot repent and believe. Now because
man does not repent and believe, God damns the man, and
tortures him eternally. (And for the Calvinist it is even worse,
for not only are all the above true, but Christ did not die for
them anyway, so that even were they to repent and believe,
(which they can not do because God has made them such,)
they still would not be saved, since Christ did not die for them
anyway!

AND this is what you claim is no worse that God making man
such that he can freely choose to either be damned or to
be saved! If it is not obvious which system puts God in a
better light, then nothing is obvious.


> > In your system, those who are supposedly saved can BE LOST!
> > Since you have been vocal in your denial of OSAS, I take this
> to be
> > true.
>
> I told you this recently: I haven't denied OSAS. It sure
> makes me think you're not reading my posts before you respond.

Then I apologize. I thought I had read some of your posts
to Loren on the "other side." But I take your word for it.
Or are you just being obfucatious? Are saying that you do
not DENY OSAS, but that you also do not AFFIRM it?

> > You may object, "Well, then, where is your 'free will?'"
>
> Even more, I might object that you ascribe non-regenerate man
> more freedom than regenerate man. In stark contrast to
> Scripture saying that the truth will set us free.

Well, I would claim that there is at least ONE thing that unregenerate
|man can do, and that is come to Christ, because God has promised
that He will draw him to Christ.

I take