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In article <3E4DB432-8974-A547-3434-0D0038041906@srcbs.org>, Al Smith says...
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>>>God creates every thought, and the "creature" MUST
>>>> act upon these thoughts CREATED BY GOD. The
>>>> creature's every word and deed is completely DETERMINED
>>>> by his thoughts, and hence every action of every creature
>>>> is DETERMINED by God.
>>>>
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>> But throughout you are applying only the "direct" mode of
>> determination. How can this be illustrated in a common manner?
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>Predestination did not have the advantage of Chaos Theory.

What 'advantage'?

> The
>behavior of chaotic systems cannot be predicted by any mind, no
>matter how powerful.

Nonsense.

> Not even by the mind of God.

Here is where you demonstrate that you do not know what the word 'omnisicient'
means. I'll bet you don't know what 'omnipotent' must mean, either.

> I put it to you
>that the human race is a chaotic system

That it may be. But so what? Your premise (that it cannot be predicted) is
false. Appending to it true statements doesn't help you.


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Stephen M. Adams wrote:

> Bart Goddard writes:
> >adamst@no.spam wrote:
> >
> >> Are you admitting, then, that 'faith without works is dead' and that
> >> such workless faith can not save? In other words, there is no salvation
> >> without faith AND works?
> >>
> >> That is quite clearly what James says.
> >
> >No, you're not being clear here. The distinction between
> >"Faith alone" (Salvation comes only through faith) and
> >"Faith alone" (Faith is never by itself, but is accompanied
> >by works) is being blurred. God is in the details, and the
> >details here are the prepositions. Does "by" mean "by
> >means of" or "next to"?
> >
> >The issue here is whether James is saying that works accomplish
> >some portion of salvation or that saving faith is always
> >accompanies by works.
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> Let me ask this - since you seem to agree that works will always
> accompany saving faith, are those works *voluntary*?

Yes. A goat that has been transformed into a sheep will act according
to its new sheep nature.

What a goat cannot do is transform itself into a sheep, eithe