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Gary wrote:
> Loren asks:
>
>
> Have you read Warfield's "Biblical Doctrines?" The opening chapter on
> "Predestination," is second in length to "The termonology of Love in
> the NT." But length aside, it is first in order because of it
> pre-eminence in revelation. I will not here survey what he has written
> as you have said you own his works. Read it. I would then like to
> hear what you find unconvincing.
>
> Well, Loren, yes I have read it, but some time ago.
> I just pulled out my copy (one of them) and found
> that I had underlined various things, so I am sure
> I have studied it.
>
> Since it is 64 some pages long, I'll just comment on a
> couple of his more outrageous statements, and allow
> you to interact.
>
> The page numbers of my copy are from "Biblical and
> Theologica Studies" P&R, 1968.
>
>From the outset, I see we are going to have problems. My copy is
published by Baker Books. "Biblical Doctrines" is the second volume in
the 10 vol series, "The Works of B B Warfield." This publication only
has 5 divisions within the chapter titled, "Predestination." They are,
1) Terms, 2) Predestination in the OT, 3) Predestination Among the
Jews, 4) Predestination in the NT, and 5) The Biblical Doctrine of
Predestination.

> Chapter XI. starts on page 270, and my first comment
> is on page 272, where he makes the outrageous statement,
> "[He-God] creates the very thoughts and intents of the soul."
>
I cannot find this quotation so as to read the context. Can you place
in one of the five divisions which I have listed above?

> He goes on to explain that this is for ALL thoughts, not
> only GOOD, but evil.
>
> This fits well with other Calvinistic theologians, such
> as Edward's whose theory of the will teaches that
> man's choices or will is DETERMINED by his
> thoughts.
>
Well, this is why I feel it is important to under definitions and
context. "Determined" has come to commonly mean today something which
Calvinism/Edward's did not teach. This is why I was hoping that we
could at least have a common point of reference in Warfield. I will
quickly add that there are somethings which Warfield writes which I
whole heartedly DISagree with, such as his comments concerning the
consciousness of Christ during His days on earth as always flowing out
of omniscience.
>
> Next, also, common Calvinistic teaching is that God
> CANNOT KNOW that which HE does not cause.
>
Where do you get this? Calvinism maintains that He knows that which is
and that which could have been. The Decree was only one of an
"infinite" set of options. Also, Calvinism and actually, the biblical
presupposition concerning t