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Bart, since you claim to be so smart, such an
expert in logic, etc. Logic demands proficiency
in definitions.

Why don't you give us your definition of the
will of man? What can man will? What can
man choose, if anything?

All you do is DENY.

Why not be positive for once?

Give us what you believe with regard to
man's will before, after the fall, and
after regeneration? More if you like,
like in heaven.

Gary



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basicallyblues wrote:

> [BF wrote:]
> Have you considered that it's because some of us have dealt with JW
> doctrine and arguments for many years, and that you aren't saying
> anything that we haven't heard many, many times before?
>
> goes both ways.

Oh, I didn't doubt that for a moment. This argument has been going on
for almost two thousand years.

> I've heard the very same trinitarian arguments 100s of
> times. In fact I know what will be said before any of you say it. So
> this makes me wonder why we are even doing this? Is it for lurkers?

Partly. C. S. Lewis once said, "I pray because I can't help myself. ...
It doesn't change God, it changes me."

There was one character in the Bible who commented on how he could not
but speak the words God have given him. But, in my advancing senility,
I don't remember who it was.

And I do it because I want to learn something. I have been, and will
be, changed by digging into the Word.

> At first I wanted to shake all of you from the grip the false trinity
> doctrine has on you but I doubt that will happen.

I do to. For not only is the DoT arrived at intellectually, it is also
arrived at personally.

> And you will never convince me into believing in a nonsensical trinity.

I agree completely. Neither Bart, nor Steve, nor Matthew, nor I will
get you to change your mind. But "with God, all things are possible".

> [BF wrote:]
> I've heard this all before for the last umpteen _years_. Good grief, I
> bet I could make your arguments for you -- and do a better job.
>
> A lack of humility will not draw anyone to you.

Just stating a simple fact. Wasn't trying to brag.

> Besides I don't believe you.

That't the problem with this group. Everyone things they know what's
going on inside the other person, and what they see is dark, dark, dark.
Even if, on the off chance someone gets it right, I personally think
that's not a t