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zach wrote:
> gpatton@bayou.com wrote:
> > zach wrote:
> > > then why does 1 Tim 3:16 say he was "taken up?"
> > >
> > > 16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He
> appeared
> > > in a body,
> > > was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels,
> > > was preached among the nations, was believed on in the
world,
> > > was taken up in glory.
> >
> >
> > I don't quite see the problem. Please explain your question in such
a
> > way that even I can understand it.
> >
> > I understand from the RSV, that old manuscripts differ as to the
> > wording of Lk. 24:51 (about the risen Jesus leaving his disciples);
> > some old manuscripts say "he parted from them" and some add "and
was
> > carried up into heaven." Also Acts 1:9 uses the words "he was
lifted
> > up and a cloud took him out of their sight". Acts 1:11 says, "This
> > Jesus who was taken from you into heaven". So Luke and Paul both
> seem
> > to use words like "taken up".
> >
> > Am I missing something?
>
> I don't recall you were here for the threads the past few weeks on
> whether Jesus was the only one to "ascend" into heaven... vs. being
> "taken up" or "translated" like Elijah and Enoch, respectively.

I would go along with both "ascended" and "taken up" but I kind of
leave the details of how it was done up to God. I am sure that is
outside my experience and I would not understand how God did it even if
God told me. (I have not caught on to calculus yet.) I cannot even
understand how Elijah and Enoch were "translated"; whatever it means
for a human to be "translated". I am sure something important did
happen. I have no better terms than "translated" etc. I am just saying
that though it is important, I don't fully understand exactly how to
describe what God did and how he did it. Nor do I understand the
difference in being "taken up into heaven" and "translated".

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Stephen M. Adams wrote:

> The only place where the words "by faith alone" appear in the
Scriptures,
> they are preceeded by the word "NOT."
> That's pretty clear. Pretty literal. Or is this one of those
'special
> exceptions' to your rule of reading the Scritprues literally?????
>
And just where does it literally state that God is a Tri-unity? Come
on. There are many doctrines taught in scripture which one has to dig
for.

Security of the believer is taught in Rom 8.

Faith alone is taught many places where salvation is declared a work of
God. And theologically, do away with it b