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Eldercare answers.

Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>>>>Bart, doesn't one need wisdom and insight to understand the Bible?
>>>
>>>
>>>Catch-22. How can you get wisdom and insight other than from
>>>the Bible, which you can't read properly unless you already
>>>have wisdom and insight?
>>
>>I THOUGHT this one was easy?
>
>
> It _was_ easy, until you mucked it up by insisting that
> one needed wisdom and insight to understand the Bible.
> You created the paradox, not me. I'm just pointing out
> the contradiction in your doctrine. It's the same one,
> just a different manifestation. You want man to make
> a decision before he can be reborn. To make that decision,
> he has to be informed of his options. To be informed
> of his options, he has to read (or hear) the Bible.
> To understand the Bible, he must have wisdom and insight.
> To get wisdom and insight, he has to ask God for it.
> To ask God for it, he has to believe in God. Ooops,
> Catch-22.
>
> This is what free-will gets you.

The person asking the question did not say that
he was not a Christian.


>>>If you put a man in a room alone with the Bible and a
>>>candle, the only thing that can come out of the room
>>>is a heretic.
>>
>>This I deny.

What "church?" You claim that the "true" church is
the Lutheran. Matthew claims it is the Orthodox.
Just about anyone can claim that "their" church
is the only real or correct church.

How much good did it do Luther for him to be in
the Roman Church?

Don't you believe that the Roman Church is heretical,
and was when Luther did his work?


> Give a counter-example. Every heretic there ever was became
> one by isolating himself from the Church.
>
> Bart

I am sure that Matthew and Roman Catholics agree that
Luther is and was a heretic. But then again, I AM proving
YOUR position, am I not?

Since Luther isolated himself from the Roman Church.


Gary

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Gary McNees wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> news:154.10.10.05.159689000@srcbs.org...
[...]

I answered part of this earlier. I want to come back to something I
didn't answer as fully as I could have and then finish the remainder.

>
> Just for my information, were you saved under Calvinist preaching?
> Spurgeon wasn't. R. C. Srpoul wasn't. And few Calviinsts I've ever
> spoken to were. Almost every Cavinist I ever heard of