Grahamtastic Connection

Offers free computers, Internet access, and technical support to children with cancer and other serious illnesses.

Grahamtastic Connection

Offers free computers, Internet access, and technical support to children with cancer and other serious illnesses.

The Barbara Bush Children's Hospital

A resource and partner for excellence in providing healthcare, clinical education, and research for the children of Maine. Located at Maine Medical Center in Portland.

The Barbara Bush Children's Hospital

A resource and partner for excellence in providing healthcare, clinical education, and research for the children of Maine. Located at Maine Medical Center in Portland.

The Center for Grieving Children

A non-profit organization committed to offering a safe environment for children and teens to express and heal their grief. Resources and contact information available.

The Jason Program

Provides medical, emotional and spiritual care to Maine's critically ill and dying children and their families.

The Jason Program

Provides medical, emotional and spiritual care to Maine's critically ill and dying children and their families.

Gary wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> news:139.59.11.05.384631000@srcbs.org...
> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> snip
> > >
> > > I still do not agree. On the one hand some Calvinists state the man is
> > > RESPONSIBLE for his actions, but on the other hand, they also believe
> > > that God causes all his actions.
> >
> > One way out of this conundrum, is that man is responsible -- not because
> > man is free (which the Scriptures do not teach) -- but by divine fiat.
> >
>
> Yup! A good way out! That PINK wall over there is Green, by
> fiat!
>
> LOL.
>
> ROTF
>
> Gary
>

Why are you laughing? If God said it, it would be so (either by
changing the colors or changing the definitions. In either case, we
would see what He declared to be so.)


((( s.r.c.b-s is a moderated group. All posts are approved by a moderator. )))
((( Read http://srcbs.org for details about this group BEFORE you post. )))

In article <178.41.13.05.396198000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>
>Matthew Johnson wrote:

[snip]

>> >> >Then by basic English, either you are in the peanut gallery
>> >> >(something I am willing to grant),

>> >> Too willing, obviously.

>> >Except that, for some strange reason, I haven't granted it yet.

>> Then why _were_ you willing to grant it? And why are you even
>> _talking_ about being willing to grant it? 'Fess up, Bob. There cannot
>> be a good motive for doing this.


>There is an excellent reason for doing this.

So you love to say, but your so-called 'excellent reason' below was no
reason at all. It was only a massive failure to establish your case. See below.

> There are several places
>in Scripture which talks about God desiring/willing something that we
>know (at least, if we aren't universalists) doesn't happen in all cases.

True. That is why the Fathers -- and even the Scholastics -- made the
distinction between "antecedent will" and "precedent will" of God.

If only you understood this distinction, you would then also realize
that no, it is NOT an "excellent reason" for what you do and claim.

>The free will camp will use this as proof that it is the free will of
>man which thwarts the desire/will of God.

You prejudicially incomplete and misleading statement of the "free
will camp" shows you have no interest in honest debate, only in
repeating 'Reform' propaganda, buttressed by sophomoric fallacies.

It show this because you are repeating the same fallacies you have
been rebuked for so often here: the fallacy of composition and the
"stra