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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> > None of the above are true. I was a Calvinist for over 30 years.
> > Not
> > just a member of a Calvinist church, but one who diligently studied
> > Calvinism over this long time period.
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> So what? How much credibility would you give to someone who
> was a Christian and diligently studied Christian doctrine for
> 30 years and then left the faith to become a Moslem? The only
> conclusion we'd come to in his case is that somehow he never
> "got it".
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> And proof that you don't "get it" is in your constant false
> assertion that Calvinists believe that the verse "God desires all men
> be saved" is false. They don't believe that. You say they do.
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> So it's going to be pretty hard for you to wriggle out of the
> accusation that you misrepresent them.

First, I know many Calvinist who deny that God desires that
all men be saved. They read the verse as "all KINDS of men
be saved."

Next, what you say of me, I said of Steve our moderator when
he left Calvinism some years ago. I said it in almost the very same words.
"He just must not have been 'one of us.'"

Thus one leaving Calvinism does not prove that one does not
understand Calvinism or that he is not REALLY a Calvinist,
but what it does prove is that he finally sees that Calvinism is
false.

Gary


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In article , Gary says...
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>"Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
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>> Except that the Scripture itself says that the *oral* teachings are
>> not only valid, but gives them primacy AND insists that they be passed
>> on. THAT is what Holy Tradition is (in brief, anyway).
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>The dawn has come!
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>What Matthew and Steve are saying is that ORAL teachings are
>primary [they have the PRIMACY], (by them only can the
>written Scripture be understood correctly), and further
>(what just dawned on me) is that this ORAL
>teaching (only by which a correct understanding of the rest of
>Scripture is possible) are the "Holy Tradition" which is found ONLY
>in the Orthodox Church!

I think Steve was getting a little carried away by the rhetoric in the thread
and compressed his thought too briefly. But of course, he will have to speak for
himself.

But what I do distinctly remember Bishop Kallistos Ware saying (so