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In article <094.13.09.05.256782000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
>
>The Testimony of Justin Martyr
>
>Justin Martyr (A.D. 110-165) was a Gentile, but born in Samaria, near
>Jacob's well.

This is an odd comment. "BUT born in Samaria"? Nobody but Gentiles had
been living in Samaria for centuries at that time.

>He was well educated, and became a strong Christian
>advocate proving Jesus is the Messiah and the Christ. He confronts
>pagan philosophers much like a Daniel, and also reasons with the Jews,
>proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was indeed the long-awaited
>Messiah.

>In "The First Apology of Justin Martyr ," Justin plainly sets forth his
>understanding of the nature of the Godhead, and the Logos (the One who
>became Christ).

That he did. Pity that what you 'plainly' see there isn't even there.

>Justin, in plain words, completely refutes the Roman
>Catholic-Protestant notion that God is a "Trinity," or that God the
>Father and the Logos were both always God, "co-equal and co-eternal."

Now _this_ is classic JW nonsense! According to you, Blue, the Trinity
is a late 3rd century notion. So how could _Justin_ have been refuting
it in the 2nd? Of course this is not what happened.

In fact, none of your nonsense happened. Justin _supports_ the notion
that the Father and Logos were both always God, "co-equal and
co-eternal". But predictably, you sank to slyness, failing to quote
the passages where Justin _clearly_ speaks of the Son as
consubstantial to the Father, giving us only your misreading of other
passages instead.

Here is one such passage you have tried to hide from us:

But God being all Mind, AND ALL LOGOS, both speaks exactly what He
thinks, and thinks exactly what He speaks. For His thought is
Logos, and Logos is Mind, and Mind comprehending all things is the
Father Himself. He, therefore, who speaks of the mind of God, and
ascribes to it a special origin of its own, declares Him a compound
Being, as if God were one thing, and the original Mind another.
[CH. 28 sec 5 Against Heresies Bk III]

The first sentence shows how wrong you are to claim that Justin did
not believe the Son was consubstantial, the second shows how Justin
himself -CONDEMNS- the JW belief that the Logos had a separate origin
from the Father. Therefore he is co-eternal.

Why you even bother with such a cheap trick baffles me. You didn't get
away with it with Origen or Athenagoras, so you should have know you
wouldn't get away with it here either.


>Justin wrote:
>
>"And when we say also that the Word, who is the FIRST -BIRTH of God,