Gary McNees wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>>>If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
> >>>>>>>said to be free in this respect?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>[gary]
> >>>>>>It is not BASED upon human will or effort.
> >>>>>>It is in ACCORD with God's foreknowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>So what did God forsee that determines who is and who isn't elect?
> >>>>
> >>>>[gary]
> >>>>God doesn't "foresee."
> >>>
> >>>[wrf3]
> >>>What knowledge did God use upon which to base His choices in election?
> >>
> >>God is independent, hence His knowledge is independent of creation,
> >>hence His choices do not depend upon any thing created.
> >
> >
> > That doesn't answer the question. If God's choices are "in ACCORD" with
> > His foreknowledge, what is His foreknowledge in accord with?
>
> Reality. The reality He created and sustains.

That's too nebulous. Can you be more specific?

>
> He saves no one against their will.

That's because He changes their will.

>
> Regeneration is THROUGH faith, and not the other way around.

Actually, they are simultaneous. When God touches you, you touch God.

>
> Faith is not a "good work."

It depends on how it is viewed.

>
> Hence to receive Christ and salvation through faith is
> not meritorious, at all.
>

It is if you connect it to God's foreknowledge.

> Works and faith are constantly opposed in Scripture.
>
> Although no man seeks God, God seeks all men.

If no man seeks God, whence the change? What causes the "light switch",
as it were, to be flipped?

> Although no man is able to come to Christ without
> God drawing them, God draws all men to Christ.

Sure, bur drawing is not the same as saving.

>
> Those who learn what God teaches, come to Christ
> and are saved. All are taught of God, but many
> refuse to learn.

What changes the refusal to acceptance?

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I am a newbie here and would like someone to tackle the job of
describing to me the difference in these terms. Could you use simple
examples?
I appreciate any who spends some time on this post.

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