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In article <136.59.16.05.602174000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
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>matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
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>>>This attitude separates the Spirit from His work. Scripture
>>>IS the leading of the Spirit;
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>> Then how did the Pharisees and Sadducees know Scripture so well, and
>> yet fail to see that the Scriptures speak of Christ? Are you really
>> willing to believe that they too had the leading of the Spirit and yet
>> failed so badly?
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>God's word doesn't go out from Him without accomplishing His
>will.

And His will is that all men be saved. 1 Tim 2:4. SO how is this will
accomplished?

> When His word went into Pharoah's ears, it hardened
>his heart. The same word that saves some (sheep) damns others
>(goats.)

Then how do you avoid the conclusion that His word does _not_ accomplish His
will? For 1 TIm 2:4 _clearly_ states that His will is that all be saved.

Recall:

who desires all men to be saved and to come
to the knowledge of the truth. (1Ti 2:4 RSVA)

And don't be fooled by the RSV use of 'desire' here. The word is QELEI, which
means 'will'. For in God, there can be no distinction between 'will' and
'desire'.


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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:49:31 +0000 (UTC), in message
<178.49.21.05.309191000@srcbs.org>, Loren (lsend...@hotmail.com) wrote:

> I have asked the advocates of free-will to provide a short definition.
> All I have received, so far, are a couple of webpage references. But
> to [be] fair, I asked knowing that no one would or could provide
> such a thing.



> These advocates are, "always learning and never able to come to the
> knowledge of the truth."

The reference is, of course, from Paul's letter to Timothy:
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_tim/3/1-7

Loren, given the context, do you mean to imply that those who believe
in free will are as apostate as those who participate in the terrible
behaviors listed here by Paul, that those who believe in free will are
people who "resist the truth," have "corrupt minds," and are "reprobate
concerning the faith?"

Paul was warning Timothy of the apostasy that was already sweeping over
the church.
"This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from
me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes."
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_tim/1/15

This apostasy would become complete after