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>It was only after Christ that the non-converting Jews _in reaction to
>Christianity_ denied the Trinity.

>You don't know history. And you sure don't understand the doctrine
>of the Trinity.

You only know trinitarian revisionist history. Once again. The trinity
as you believe it was not taught by any of the so-called "church
fathers" prior to the third century. None of you have yet to disprove
that. You are reading your trinity into their writings. My request for
a definition of the trinity is elementary and I find it cowardly that
none of you dares even tell me what YOU think the trinity is...why
can't you just cut and paste it from the Nicene Creed?

>You don't know what Jesus has to do with salvation?

sure I do.

>Hmmm....
>You're proposing here that God _created_ a sacrifice for
>our sins.

I'm not. The Bible does. Jesus was created. He exited in the heavens
before the need for a sacrifice was required. When the time came God
sent his only-begotten Son. (see John 3:16 for details)

>God can create things
>just by thinking about snapping His fingers. You're proposing
>that God snapped His fingers, and called a perfect sacrifice
>into being,

I am not. Read above. Jesus exited long before the physical universe
was even created (John 17:5; Rev. 3:14; Col. 1:15; Prov. 8:22) Jesus
was *not* created to be a perfect sacrifice- it just turned out that
way. God gave his best (see John 3:16 for details)

>let it be tortured and crucified and then resurrected.
>This costs Him nothing. This is not the God of Love, because
>He sacrificed nothing for our salvation.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only-begotten Son, that
whoeverbelieves in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" (John
3:16)

a supreme sacrifice indeed! Do you have children?

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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <131.35.10.05.513678000@srcbs.org>, gpatton@bayou.com
says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Another logical fallacy. But one used very often by Calvinists.
> >Calvinists
> >> would like everyone to believe that if one is not a Calvinist,
they
> >REALLY
> >> don't believe Scripture.
> >
> >I am sure you got that idea about Calvinist from Calvinist you have
> >known. I wish you would not associate with those Calvinist, they
give
> >Calvinist a bad name.
>
> That they have. But they _are_ le