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In article , lsenders@hotmail.com
says...

>Matthew Johnson wrote:
>> In article , Tracy Hall
>says...
>>
>> >
>> >However, in teaching our need for Christ's atonement, Paul taught
>that
>> >all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10, 23; 5:12).
>>
>> But who _as_ this 'all' he referred to? Please pay more attention to
>the
>> original context of the passages Paul cited.
>
>Context?

Yes, which you have _still_ not done! I said the context of the passages he
cited, NOT the context of his own citations! WHy was this so difficult for you
to understand?

>1:19-1:32 Gentile -condemned
>2:1-29 Jew -condemned
>conclusion:
>3:10-18 all men -condemned

Wrong. For what the Law says, it addressed to those under the Law. This is NOT
all men. Remember: Job was NOT an Israelite.

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Tracy Hall wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 2:07 pm Isend...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> > It was not meant "greater" as in deed, but greater in that
> > they were greater in number and would reach out to the
> > greater populous of the nations.
>
> Perhaps so. I know of no record that the apostles ever did works
> greater in deed than Jesus, but I believe that they were perfectly
> capable of doing so, had they developed sufficient faith. Jesus had
no
> special advantage over them, except for his greater faith, which he
> developed patiently over his entire life. "And Jesus increased in
> wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." (Luke 2:51-52)
>
He DID have a "speical advantage" in that, 1) He did not operate in the
Spirit with all the trappings and limitation necessitated by a fallen
nature. 2) His measure of the Holy Spirit was without measure. No
one has ever had the leading and empowering of the Spirit to the degree
that Christ did. It is one thing to say that we will never have more
of the Spirit than we presently do, but quite another to say that
sinful man can possess the Spirit in away compared to the sinless
Christ.
>
> > He meant exactly what He said.
>
> > No one debates that point. The point of debate is what He meant by
> > stating such.
>
> There's no debate here, just an effort to express our "take." I do
> thank you for your "take," from which I have learned. I