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fred wrote:
> lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:

>
> The problem with the above "fundamentals" is that half of them probably
> do not apply to the repentant thief that Jesus was crucified with. For
> example, I have no reason to believe that the thief would have known
> about Jesus' virgin birth or resurrection, especially the resurrection.
>
The object of faith has always been the Messiah. Always. That aside
for the moment, do you not think the two thieves were Jewish? Do you
know anything about Jewish religious training during that time of
history?
>
> In fact, I don't believe that the apostles were aware of the
> scriptural details about Jesus until Jesus opened their mind's to the
> Scriptures after his resurrection as Luke 24:44-45 shows. Indeed, the
> apostles were confused by what Jesus said about his crucifixion and
> resurrection before he was crucified as Luke 9:44-45 and John 20:9-10
> show, for example.
>
You're mixing apples and oranges. The fundamentals were meant as
doctrinal confession for the Church. Nowhere is it stated that these
were all necessary for salvation. Notitia saves no one.
>
> I stand by my assertion concerning the thief that Jesus was crucified
> with. Some of the so-called fundamentals you listed aren't
> fundamentals, in my opinion, if the thief didn't need to understand
> them correctly or know about them to be in heaven with Jesus.
>
Not to be ignorant or to pass judgment, but you seem to be unstudied in
what you wish to presume.
> >
> > >
> > But there are a list of fundamental beliefs. This is necessarily so.
>
> Keep in mind that whatever list of "fundamentals" you give me, I'm
> going to check them off against what the repentant thief
>
apples and oranges
>
> I appreciate what you are saying. But again, memorizing the Bible
> won't win anybody salvation. Believing in Jesus because of what the
> Bible says about him is not an act of the will. One can only become a
> true believer in Jesus Christ by the power of Jesus' Holy Spirit.
>
Then you agree that it is not an act of the will and in doing so,
counter your own proposition.
>
> And
> only Jesus' Spirit can open your mind to all those Scriptures that
> you've memorized.
>
Were we arguing this point?


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