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>
> Stephen M. Adams wrote:
>> "Streamer" writes:
>
>> >
>> >Do you mean faith comes from works, and works comes from grace?
>>
>> God gives grace which enables us to believe and follow God, if we
> accept
>> it.
>>
> That grace doesn't merely "enable" but rather constrains us. Faith is
> the instramental causation, not the efficient causation nor the
> material causation.
>
> Also, to press this further, then one must of a necessity come to some
> sort of conclusion involving some sort of realization of there being
> mortal sins and venial sins. But even the RC position doesn't declare
> that mortal sin actually casts the once regenerate back into a state of
> being unregenerate.
>

Can you define mortal & venial sins? What are they? And who said there's
mortal & venial sins?

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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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>
> >> As a Calvinist, I can confidently say that God loves
even
> > those who are
> >> in hell.
> >
> > Sure, He loved them soooooo much that He "passed them
by,"
> > and put them there with no recourse!
> >
> > Such love is too "wonderful" for words! NOT!
>
> Better than your God, Who could do something about it
> but lets them self-destruct in their ignorance.


Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the
creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his eternal power and
Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

> At
> least Bob's God takes responsibility.

True, Bob's god could have made "carrot sacrifice" instead
of the Sacrifice of Christ to take care of our sins!

So, Christ's prayer:
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his
face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible,
let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but
as thou wilt.

could have EASILY been accomplished.
Christ did not need to come to earth and die, for Bob's god
to
save mankind! He could have instituted "carrot sacrifice"
instead.

Such a god I want no part of. But for the logical
true Calvinist this is the god they believe in.

God says He does not tempt any man.

Gary



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