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Gary McNees wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
[...]
> >>
> >>All these so-called texts which you all are using to try to assert
> >>no free will, all assert free will.
> >>
> >
> >
> > They assert will. The addition of freedom or the subtraction thereof,
> > from these passages are exegesis.
>
> Didn't you mean eisegesis?

Yes.

> >
> > God sovereignly chooses the elect, a choice not based on human will or
> > effort.
>
> God sovereignly chooses all that occurs, including every FREE
> will choice that everyone makes.
>

If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
said to be free in this respect?

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wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Your "god" has no basis for "love." Love require interpersonal
> > > relationships.
> >
> > Does it? Does the Scripture not say that we are to love ourselves? Love
> > of self, while personal, doesn't seem to me to fit the definition of
> > interpersonal.
> >
> > If this is true, then the same can be said of a monolithic god. Right?
> >
> "If" is the correct way of answering. It is interesting that this phrase
> is quoted 7 times in the NT. "You shall agape your neighbor as your
> self."
>
> I think it pertainent to note that a counselor must know the telos of
> every passage that he uses in counseling. It is not enough to understand
> the grammatical-historical, biblical-theological or systematic, and
> rhetorical aspects of a passage. These are essential, and I should be the
> last one to say anything to undermine such work, for each of these
> elements plays a vital part in biblical exegesis. Yet it is possible to
> have all of these matters in mind in exegesis and still misuse a portion
> of Scripture in preaching or counseling. Thus, the story of the Seeking
> Father and the Pouting Elder Brother instead becomes the Parable of the
> Prodigal Son. More to the point, the two commandments to love God and
> neighbor are psychologized by those who want to add to them a 3rd
> commandment, "love yourself," which they then make basic to the other two,
> in spite of the fact that this is a thought repugnant to the entire Bible,
> and the clear statement of Christ that he is speaking of two commandments
> only, "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Huh? The second commandment is from Lev 1