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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> Gary McNees wrote:
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> > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > news:139.59.11.05.384631000@srcbs.org...
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> > >
> > > Gary McNees wrote:
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> > > > "Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
> > > > news:138.49.09.05.627708000@srcbs.org...
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> > > > > "Gary McNees" writes:
> > > > > >"Stephen M. Adams" wrote:
> > > > > >> lsenders@hotmail.com writes:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Scripture interprets scripture, not the rationalizations of
men.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Your system is the one based purely on reason, intellect and
logic.
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> > > > > >Steve, I just couldn't let this go by.
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> > > > > >I don't agree at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Calvinism is NOT BASED on reason, intellect, nor logic!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Unless you want to say demonic reason, demonic intellect.
> > > > > >But no logic at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would say that Calvinism is internally consistent - that is, if
> > > > > one assumes the premises, everythign else flows logically from
there.
> > > > > The fundamental problem is that the premises are wrong.
> > > >
> > > > I still do not agree. On the one hand some Calvinists state the
> > > > man is RESPONSIBLE for his actions, but on the other hand,
> > > > they also believe that God causes all his actions.
> > >
> > > One way out of this conundrum, is that man is responsible -- not
because
> > > man is free (which the Scriptures do not teach) -- but by divine fiat.
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> > Well, most people will not buy into this "out."
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> So? Since when has truth ever been determined by numbers?
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> > That is, as I said previously, you believe in a god acts
voluntaristically.
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> It can't be any other way, as I pointed out in another thread.
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> > That is, Is something good just because God said it, (Voluntarism)
> > or Does God say something because it is good. (Essentialism)
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> > God CANNOT by "divine fiat," make what is wrong right.
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> Of course not. But this begs the question of what "wrong" is.
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> > God CANNOT lie.
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> > If God acts He MUST act according to His perfect nature.
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> Right. Which is why voluntarism is a true description of reality.

No. This is NOT voluntarism. This is essentialism.
The Calvinist believes in voluntarism. That is, the