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Do we have any amatuer astronomers here that enjoys reading astronomy
related information (NOT ASTROLOGY!) in the bible?

Marion
Indiana Astronomical Society

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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
news:143.07.06.05.624614000@srcbs.org...
>
>
> Matthew Johnson wrote:
>
> > In article <139.59.11.05.907135000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
> >
> > >gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
> >
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>
> Because Scripture says that God is absolutely sovereign. Therefore, we
> have to try to find another basis for man's responsibility.

Or the truth being that you have an incorrect definition
of God's sovereignty.

The basis of responsibility lies in the man's free will,
and power to choose to not sin.

That God PERMITS man to sin is quite obvious.


snip

Gary






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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
news:CC35F14B-3B9C-E5D4-7C9F-DB29AD841D5E@srcbs.org...
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Bart, perhaps instead of "free will," or "robot" we
should
> > use self-determination?
>
> You and Matthew can battle it out over semantics and
terminology.
> My continuing point is: no matter what you call it, you
can't
> have it precede grace. If it's called
"self-determination",
> you still can't save yourself (or activate God's grace) by
> exercise of "self-determination".

I would never think that it would.

Did you seem my post which contained:

"There is no cooperation possible. The nature of the work of
regeneration forbids any possible human assistance. As a
child in natural birth is conceived and born without any
volition on his part, so the child of God receives the new
birth apart from any volition on his part. In the new birth,
of course, the human will is not opposed to regeneration and
wills by divine grace to believe, but this act itself does
not produce new birth." p. 118. ST vol VI.

"The important truth to be observed in all of this is that,
though the divine persuasion be limitless, it still remains
persuasion, and so when a decision is secured for Christ, in
the individual he exercises his own will apart form even the
shadow of constraint. The divine invitation still is true
that "whosoever will may come." Chafer, ST, vo