wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Now, if I ask you to do something, and you refuse, so I give you a
> > > shot of something, and re-program your brain, and then your will has
> > > been changed, and now you want to do it, do you consider that you have
> > > done this "freely?"
> > >
> But you dismiss one very basic fact. Man's original condition. Just
> because he fell, does not erase who he is. He is still a creature and
> still made in the image of God and still necessarily derivative in nature.
> Is not the first commandment, rather than the law of non-contradiction, to
> be the axiom of theology?

As in the other post which had this same question, what contradiction do
you see?

> >
> > Which change are you asking about? There are two. The first, in
> > which the will is healed; the second is where I do that which I was
> > formerly opposed to doing.
> >
> Is it too great of a thing to comprehend that God designed man's
> freedom such that He could determine him without destroying his freedom?

Well, yes, it is. It happens to be a self-defeating statement because
of the inherent contradiction. Which is one form of hypocrisy (in
thought instead of action).

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basicallyblues wrote:
> I had written:
>
> > In the same chapter (verse 18) John writes "no man has seen God at
> > anytime" but plenty saw Jesus. Jesus is not the God whom he was
with.
> > Context demands "the Word was a god" or "the Word was a divine
one".
>
> Zach wrote:
>
>
> >Both Jacob (at Peniel) and Moses saw God face to face. How do you
> >explain
>
> The Bible repeatedly says "no man may see God and yet live" so unless
> the Bible contradicts itself the statement that Moses saw God "face
to
> face" must not be literal but figurative for the closeness of Moses'
> relationship with God. Even today we use an expression "we don't see
> eye to eye" that doesn't mean we have never seen eachother. Same type
> of thing.
>
> This is confirned by John 1:18 that says "no man has seen God".

Jacob named Peni-el (Face of God) because he beheld the face of God.

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In article <098.18.18.05.010853000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...

>Loren wrote:
>
>>Hey Matt, why bother? The "rn" for "m" is a scanning error. He's
>>copying this stuff and posting and letting everyone think he's
>writting
>>it
>
>I have cu