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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

>> >> > Isaiah 5:4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I
>> >> > have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should
>> >> > bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?
>> >>
>> >> Seen many grapes with free will?
>> >
>> > see them miss the point completely?
>>
>> If there is someway to contrue free will in from this passage,
>> then, by all means, show us. Grapes grow how they grow,
>> don't blame "us" if your own analogy doesn't work.
>
> God is saying, "WHAT MORE COULD I DO?"
> Now according to your theology, God could do everything!

And according to yours, He can't do everything? As I keep
saying, your theology leads to a system in which man has
free will and God does not. Here you limit His power,
and not in the illogical way by saying He can't make
a rock so big He can't pick it up, or by some problem
with definitions as in the "Can God lie" subthreads,
BUT you limit Him from doing something which is completely,
physically, spiritually, possible.



> The wills of the grapes or vines are inconsequential.

Not inconsequential, but _not free_. Haven't you listened
to a word I've said? Are you so caught up in your demonic
tirade against the Calvinists that you're not even willing
to listen while the other side is speaking? Both Bob and
I say that man has will. The issue is whether that will
is _free_.

You can change that into saying that we say "will is
inconsequential", but then you'd be lying and slandering.


> Man has no will essentially.

You sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo don't have a clue
what my theology is. "The will is not free" is a far cry
from "Man has no will."



> Everyone is hell will be there because they freely chose
> to be there and they could have chosen to not be there.

Yes, yes, yes, I'm well aware of what you believe here.
I take the time to actually read and ponder what you write,
in spite of the fact that you refrain from extending the
same courtesy.

You refuse to address my objection here that just because
they "free choose" to be in Hell doesn't let your sort of
God off the hook for causing it, since He made them all
with full knowledge of their future. If He is "not pleased"
with that future, He could have created the people otherwise.

Or maybe you don't grant God even that much power?


>> All your God can do is advise and cajole the person to
>> come out of the fire. And if he doesn't, then you