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In article <151.59.14.05.918582000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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>Gary McNees wrote:
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>> For the Calvinist god certainly does not only speak lies, but acts
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>Who says?

God's own prophet does. Recall:

Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked,
says the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should
turn from his way and live? (Eze 18:23 RSVA)

But the "Calvinist God" actually _makes_ the wicked wicked, and therefore causes
his death. But since God has no pleasure in this, this cannot be just.


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In article <177.29.16.05.574599000@srcbs.org>, Mike Rhodes says...
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>On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:52:13 +0000 (UTC), Matthew Johnson
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>>>Yet in the end, it's but a side-show, a distraction.
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>>Distractions are not always trivial. Just as a distraction can cause a
>>driver to crash, so a distraction in a man's spiritual life can even
>>cause him to lose salvation.
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>This is correct! But a driver has only a moment to consider and
>respond, while man has a lifetime to consider his spiritual life, and
>ponder and place 'side-shows' in there proper perspective.

And yet even though he has a whole lifetime, that may not be enough; the
distraction need NOT be merely momentary, as you are assuming.

In particular, if you wish to really understand what I was trying to say by
using the driver's distraction as a metaphor, you must understand that I am NOT
assuming it is merely momentary.

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>The knee-jerk reaction of a driver may be excused by law,

It may be, but you miss the point: man's law may excuse him, but the accident
could still have fatal consequences for the driver himself. So the excuse of
man's law does him no good.

> while the
>man who is infatuated with a 'circus' lie, and dies that way, is
>forever deceived, and so is judged for his foolishness. So the
>distraction is trivialized, with the follower, to hell.

What? How could you call that 'trivialized'?

>The 'show' in the Bible is much from Paul.

This is a terrible misreading of Paul's accomplishments. It is NOT 'show'.

> I'm not surprised
>Christians are interested. And at one time, in your contex