Prayer for life

Science and Environment

A Model Wetlands Ordinance for Indiana Communities

Presents a model wetlands protection ordinance compatible with state planning and zoning laws.

Indiana 4-H Foundation

Supports the Indiana state 4-H program through charitable contributions, grants, scholarships, and fund raising.

Indiana Academy of Science

A non-profit organization promoting scientific research and in Indiana.

Indiana Astronomical Society

Information on the organization, events, light pollution, photo album and membership.

Indiana Department of Natural Resources

Provides information about the states wildlife resources and recreation. Includes tips on wildlife watching and reminders.

Indiana Environmental Report

News and views affecting Indiana's environment.

Indiana Woodland Steward

Information on local forests, a calendar of events, and links to other forestry sites. A quarterly publication promoting the wise use of forest resources is also available.

Mike Walter's Indiana Earth Page

Annotated links to sites about Indiana's environment.

The Indiana 4-H Foundation

A not-for-profit statewide organization that actively obtains contributions to support Indiana 4-H programs.



"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> Gary wrote:
>
> > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > news:F62569F2-6692-74CC-6553-17847BFC8EDF@srcbs.org...
> > > Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > > The way God views faith it isn't a work. The way
you view faith it
> > > > > is.
> > > >
> > > > I truly believe that the way you view faith is it a
work,
> > >
> > > On what basis do you make this claim? Especially
since I claim that
> > > faith is something that God causes to happen in a
person who is
> > > spiritually dead.
> >
> > Because you claim that if an unregenerate man has faith
> > to receive Christ then that faith is "works."
>
> It's clear that you don't understand, because I would
never make such a
> claim. What I claim is that an unregenerate man cannot
have faith in
> Christ.

Is a dead man unregenerate? YES, we both agree.
Christ said the the DEAD HEAR His voice.
AND those who "hear" shall live.

Here we have Christ Himself stating that it is the dead
unregenerate
man who HEARS and "hears" His Voice. I take the second
"hear"
to mean receive. But independent of how either "hear" is
taken,
we have the DEAD hearing and the DEAD subsequently LIVING.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is
coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of
the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

This order is the very opposite of what Calvinism demands.
The
dear FIRST HEAR and THEN they are given life.

This same order is followed EVERYWHERE in Scripture, that
is,
life ALWAYS follows faith, NEVER do we have faith following
life.

If you can find a verse which gives ORDER, e.g., with words
such
as "through," i.e., "faith comes through life." then you
would at
least have something, but as it is you have nothing.

> > God says that: Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is
excluded. By what
> > law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
> >
>
> I know what God says. But, once again, you put a spin on
this verse
> that simply isn't warranted.

No spin, just what God says! Boy it is easy to argue when
you just
invent "scripture." But none of revealed Scripture supports
your
position.

When Scripture says,

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of
the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The word "of" means "out of."

The pow