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In article <089.45.07.05.393064000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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>Matthew Johnson wrote:
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>> In article <088.45.18.05.509099000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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>> >Matthew Johnson wrote:
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>> >Where does Scripture say that we are saved by our correct apprehension
>> >of doctrine?
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>> Actually, it doesn't say this. Neither did I imply that it did say it.
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>Just checking. Salvation through correct knowledge is an old, old
>heresy.
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>> But someone who stubbornly insists on _wrong_ doctrine, despite all the
>> effort the Church takes to teach us the correct doctrine,
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>Which Church? Protestand, RC, Orthodox, other? We don't all agree with
>each other on some points.

Ah, now you have moved the topic to the really interesting question: which one
of these is the true Church? It can't be all of them. But the descent of the
Holy Fire in Jerusalem on Orthodox Easter is a pretty strong hint, even though I
have heard of many Catholics who see this miracle and believe it really is a
miracle, and _still_ stubbornly cling to Rome!


>> and teaches this wrong doctrine in opposition to and defiance of the
>> Church runs afoul of another problem: stiffnecked refusal to submit to the
>> Body of Christ, the Church. Such stiffnecked refusal _is_ a refusal to
>> believe in Christ. This is what condemns a man.
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>Ok. I don't believe that man has free will; you do. Which one of us is
>stiffnecked and refusing to subit to the Bod of Christ?

You obviously! That Man has free will follows not just from the local council of
Orange, but more importantly, from the sixth _Ecumenical_ council, where all the
teachings of Augustine were thoroughly taken into account. Yet they did decide
on Man having free will -- even if the 'freedom' is still very limited.

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>> Denying the life-saving doctrine of the Trinity is exactly such an example.
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>What makes the DoT life-saving? Paul wrote, "If you confess with your
>mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from
>the dead, you shall be saved." [Rom 10:9]
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>I could argue that this applies to JW's as well as it does to you and
>me.

But JWs clearly equivocate on what "Jesus as Lord" means. Whereas you and I
should agree: it means Lord GOD. So the yare not saying the same thing as the
Apostle, so why should their false confession have anything to do with the
_real_ sense of Rom 10:9? Therefore it has no saving power.

That is why it is so important to oppose their deception whenever and wherever
it raises its ugly head.


>> For the evidence for the Trinity is so overwhelming, and so well known.
>> That is why our i